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Interview of Bill Gates

Wednesday, June 10, 2026·Room 2154, Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, D.C.·138 pages

Founder of Microsoft, former friend of Epstein, 535+ emails·Read the Jmail Encyclopedia →

gavelContradictions with the record1

Statements in this interview that conflict with a primary source. Each was cross-checked against the Jmail email archive or the witness's own testimony.

Visiting Epstein's Florida homep. 9
In the interview: “I never went to his island, his ranch, or his Florida home.”
The record shows: A Feb. 27, 2013 message coordinated Gates's flight to Palm Beach, and Epstein wrote: “I'm in Palm Beach, with Bill Gates at the house.”mailView email

balanceWhere the record complicates the account2

Statements that are literally true or otherwise defensible, but that the email archive complicates. They stop short of contradictions, and the witness's account mostly holds.

When the money conversations beganp. 9
In the interview: “We began more extensive conversations in 2013 and 2014. The discussions focused on identifying potential giving structures such as donor advice funds.”
The record adds: Archive emails show donor-advised-fund discussions already underway in February 2011, within days of Gates's first dinner with Epstein.Email archive
The 2013–2014 intensification is real; the framing understates how early the money conversations began.
“Our interactions ended in December 2014”p. 9
In the interview: “No vehicle for charitable giving was ever created and no funds were raised. Our interactions ended in December 2014.”
The record adds: No funds were raised, as he said. But the archive shows a September 2017 exchange in which Epstein sent Gates a trip report and received a substantive reply, and was still floating an “internet-based DAF.”Email archive
A single late exchange against an otherwise clean break, and it is unclear how much of it was Gates himself. It complicates “ended in 2014” without making the overall account false.

push_pinKey notes

Gates admitted that meeting with Epstein was a 'grave error in judgment' driven by a desire to raise funds for global health.p. 9
Gates testified he ended his relationship with Epstein in December 2014 after realizing Epstein would not deliver on his promises of philanthropic funding.p. 9
Gates confirmed he had extramarital affairs that an employee, Dr. Boris Nikolic, was aware of, which Epstein later apparently tried to use as leverage.p. 9
Gates denied ever witnessing any illegal activity or sexual abuse by Epstein, nor engaging in any such conduct himself.p. 9
Gates stated he never paid Epstein any money, nor did he provide him with a role or compensation in any philanthropic efforts.p. 9

forumNotable exchanges14expand_more

First Meeting with Epsteinp. 13
Q (MR. SPECTRE): Mr. Gates, when did you first meet Jeffrey Epstein?
A: It was in January 2011 that I had a dinner with him.
Epstein's Criminal Historyp. 13
Q (MR. SPECTRE): Do you recall what, if anything, you knew about Mr. Epstein in general before you met him for the first time?
A: I was aware that he had a criminal conviction... I knew that it was of a sexual nature, but, no, I don't think I knew -- dug into the specifics, although I probably should have.
Sexual Misconduct Allegationsp. 13
Q (MR. SPECTRE): Did you ever witness Jeffrey Epstein engaging in sexual contact of any kind?
A: No.
Extramarital Affairsp. 32
Q (MR. SPECTRE): Did you ever ask Dr. Nikolic to do anything morally inappropriate or unethically unsound?
A: Well, he was involved -- he knew that I had spent time with the women I had affairs with, so only in that sense.
Blackmail Attemptsp. 93
Q (MR. SPECTRE): I think you characterized these draft -- these emails Epstein sent to himself as potential blackmail.
A: As I see them today, that's, you know, my guess about what he might be thinking about... If those emails that contained some truth and some false things were ever sent, then we could say there was an attempt at blackmail.
Philanthropic Meetings in 2014p. 96
Q (MR. MURRAY): What was your overall assessment at the conclusion of this series of meetings? Were you satisfied that the prospect of securing funding was becoming more concrete or did it still remain nebulous and inchoate in your mind?
A: No, unfortunately... none of them was at a point where they were deciding to give large additional sums... it was a complete disappointment from my point of view.
Interactions with Ghislaine Maxwellp. 121
Q (MR. MURRAY): Mr. Gates, did you ever meet Ghislaine Maxwell?
A: I met her one time. I was at a hotel restaurant, and she and Ted Waitt were there, and that was the one time I was introduced to her.
Regret over Epstein Meetingsp. 59
Q (MR. GARCIA): I know that you said earlier that you felt your association with Epstein was a huge mistake. Just to expand on that, for the record, can you expand on that what you mean exactly by that?
A: It was a mistake to spend time with him because, in the end, it led to nothing... This is one of the larger mistakes I've made was to risk my reputation and the reputation of the foundation by engaging in these meetings.
Financial Demandsp. 118
Q (MR. KRISHNAMOORTHI): Besides that, did he ever ask you for any other money?
A: No. I never paid him. I made it clear he would not be paid, and never paid him.
Photos with Epstein's assistantsp. 103context-checked
Q (Ms. Hart): Could you please identify the individuals in this photo? [asked across Exhibits H–K]
A: I recognize myself. I don't recognize anyone else in this photo… I was never introduced to her.

format_quoteKey statements

“I should never have met with Epstein in the first place... I see now that he sought to build an image of legitimacy around himself using connections to reputable and powerful people to deflect scrutiny and attempt to rehabilitate his reputation.”p. 9
“I never went to his island, his ranch, or his Florida home. I have never victimized anyone.”p. 9
“If the time I spent with Epstein lent him credibility, I am deeply sorry.”p. 9
“He never sent me anything that I would call blackmail. As I've said, he made veiled references to things like we should all want to be friends.”p. 110

groupsPeople mentioned9expand_more

Boris Nikolic — Former science advisor to Gates at Gates Ventures.p. 22
Introduced Gates to Epstein and later engaged Epstein to negotiate his exit package from Gates Ventures. Was aware of Gates's affairs.
Melanie Walker — Former employee of the Gates Foundation and World Bank.p. 42
Sent Gates an email after his first meeting with Epstein; purportedly warned him later about Epstein.
Mila Antonova — A woman with whom Gates had an affair.p. 37
A bridge player whose expenses Epstein claimed to have paid, asking Gates for reimbursement.
Karima Nigmatulina — A woman with whom Gates had an affair.p. 37
A nuclear scientist whom Gates met through TerraPower connections.
Alice Jacobs Nesselrodt — A woman with whom Gates had an affair prior to 2010.p. 72
A consultant whose name appeared redacted in an email Epstein wrote to himself.
Larry Cohen — Top person at Gates Ventures.p. 13
Communicated Gates's refusal to reimburse Epstein and handled severing the relationship.
Larry Summers — Prominent economist and academic.p. 57
Attended a dinner with Gates and Epstein in May 2011.
Jes Staley — J.P. Morgan executive.p. 114
Attended a dinner with Gates, Summers, and Epstein in May 2011.
Ghislaine Maxwell — Epstein associate.p. 124
Gates stated he met her only once or twice briefly and never discussed Epstein with her.

descriptionExhibits entered18expand_more

Majority Exhibit No. 1p. 24 EFTA00873874open_in_new — Email from Epstein to Boris Nikolic on June 16, 2013 (EFTA00873874).
Majority Exhibit No. 2p. 29 EFTA01966988open_in_new — Email from Jeffrey Epstein to himself on July 18, 2013 (EFTA01966988).
Majority Exhibit No. 3p. 68 EFTA01967528open_in_new — Email from Jeffrey Epstein to himself on July 18, 2013 at 1:33 p.m. (EFTA01967528).
Majority Exhibit No. 4p. 84 EFTA01959891open_in_new — Email chain from August 9, 2013 between Boris Nikolic, Bill Gates, and Larry Cohen (EFTA01959891).
Majority Exhibit No. 5p. 127 EFTA01111961open_in_new — Contract from Southern Trust Company Inc. dated May 28, 2013 (EFTA01111961).
Minority Exhibit Ap. 40 — Wall Street Journal article dated June 7, 2026, about Melanie Walker.
Minority Exhibit Bp. 42 EFTA01620736open_in_new — Text exchange from September 2017 between Melanie Walker and Jeffrey Epstein (EFTA01620736-742).
Minority Exhibit Cp. 44 — Email dated January 28, 2011 about dinners with Gates and Nikolic.
Minority Exhibit Dp. 47 — Epstein's schedule from February and March 2013.
Minority Exhibit Ep. 52 EFTA00873390open_in_new — Email from Nikolic to Gates dated June 8, 2013 about Crazy Horse in Paris (EFTA00873390-92).
Minority Exhibit Fp. 95 — Epstein's schedule from September 2014.
Minority Exhibit Gp. 100 — Email from Epstein to Gates dated January 13, 2019 (EFTAR101795558).
Minority Exhibit Hp. 102 — Photo of Gates and Svetlana Pozhidaeva at an airport.
Minority Exhibit Ip. 103 — Photo of Gates and Svetlana Pozhidaeva at the Four Seasons.
Minority Exhibit Jp. 104 — Photo of Gates and a group of individuals.
Minority Exhibit Kp. 105 — Photo of Gates, Epstein, Terje Rod-Larsen, and an assistant.
Minority Exhibit Lp. 106 — Photo of Gates, Eva Dubin, and Karyna Shuliak.
Minority Exhibit Mp. 113 — Photo of Gates, Epstein, Boris Nikolic, Jes Staley, and Larry Summers.

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